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  • Mine arrives on Monday.

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    I'll be digging in tonight (so in about 6 hours).

    Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try and answer those I can. With pics and vids if possible.

    Feels great btw. Build quality is awesome. Good weight to it.

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    @SpookyZoo said:
    I'll be digging in tonight (so in about 6 hours).

    Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try and answer those I can. With pics and vids if possible.

    Feels great btw. Build quality is awesome. Good weight to it.

    I read some other "first user" opinions and everyone agree that the real power is in the decisions about the workflow and then the seamless connection to Ableton.

    This is your view too?

    And yes, it seems that is built like a tank.

  • I want it even though history has shown I'll never use it.

  • @Danny_Mammy said:

    anyway, if i had more money i probably pick it up hihih, just can't justify it due to I already have Ableton note which is more powerful and portable and better GUI.

    +💯

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    I'll be digging in tonight (so in about 6 hours).

    Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try and answer those I can. With pics and vids if possible.

    Thanks. I was curious about the USB-C capabilities with an iPad or iPhone - are you able to sample straight from usb-c? I read that when used as an audio interface it will only accept 44.1. Enjoy!

  • @OnfraySin said:

    I read some other "first user" opinions and everyone agree that the real power is in the decisions about the workflow and then the seamless connection to Ableton.

    I've just hooked up the MOVE to Ableton. It took me a few minutes to realise I also needed to set up the MOVE in MIDI devices.

    Obvious really but it's not mentioned in the manual.

    Initial first 5 minutes: Cool stuff. I hooked up the Move and loaded up a set I had created on the device. The track selection is reflected in Ableton when switching on device. The part I was most keen to see was that the MOVE encoders controlling the Macros in Ableton. Very sweet.

    I'll post more on the Ableton control part after I've had more time with it.

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    @mikewb said:

    Thanks. I was curious about the USB-C capabilities with an iPad or iPhone - are you able to sample straight from usb-c? I read that when used as an audio interface it will only accept 44.1. Enjoy!

    Thanks Mike. I believe I read that USB C audio was only one way (out) But I'll check with an audio interface and also switch between 44.1 and 48. I'll update this post in a bit.

    Update: Yeah its out only and 44.1

  • I loved using Circuit (at least in the moment) but having to then solo/record in a daw to get the juice out just killed the spontaneity for me. Having stem export sounds great and I like the retrospective recording aspect a lot. I don't even use Live and this gives me the munchies. Sadly I have other pressing expenses but hope this does well enough to foster a V2,3 etc.

  • @oldsynthguy said:

    I don’t see how it would compete with a Push with just those two extra functions. It’d be a nice portable music maker and occasional controller for those of us without one, but it’s a million miles from full Push functionality.

    Even without MPE and another 100 quid on the price, I’d have snapped one up immediately with 8 tracks, but I want the ability to tweak synths and patches once it’s transferred to desktop. A couple of synths and a bunch of audio blocks is a workaround too far. I’m no power user, but I still need more than four tweakable tracks.

    I’m waiting to see some vids where it’s being used as a controller, as that’s still a potential buy for me, but ironically it’s making the Push 3 controller look incredibly good value for money in comparison!

    I guess I have lower expectations. Move will let me leave the laptop at home and I have tried a lot of failed alternatives over the years.

    I’m also fairly disillusioned by MPE.

  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @mikewb said:

    Thanks. I was curious about the USB-C capabilities with an iPad or iPhone - are you able to sample straight from usb-c? I read that when used as an audio interface it will only accept 44.1. Enjoy!

    Thanks Mike. I believe I read that USB C audio was only one way (out) But I'll check with an audio interface and also switch between 44.1 and 48. I'll update this post in a bit.

    Thanks so much for checking! Hope you're enjoying it. I'm going to give it a try and see if it fits in my workflow. I figured I have 30 days and if it's not me then back it goes.

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    @BroCoast I've started to really like MPE on the P3S. Where i REALLY like it is on Drums. The MPE Kits are sooo cool. Way more expressive. So where normally you have a pad and the velocity at which you hit it might determine which multisample gets triggered. With MPE, I can have a totally different multisample playing when i hit a different part of the pad in addition to the velocity. OR, if i hit the upper part of the pad, i could have it trigger a reverb or something.

    The other is playing a fretless bass. Now, if i'm not dead center on the pad, it can be out of tune a bit, more like an actual fretless. And this is "per pad" on a bass patch. So if i'm dead center on one pad, but off a bit on another, the "another" is out of tune. Its great!

    I thought it was all a gimmick until i started playing with it more. Now, i use it all the time.

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    @BroCoast said:

    @oldsynthguy said:

    I don’t see how it would compete with a Push with just those two extra functions. It’d be a nice portable music maker and occasional controller for those of us without one, but it’s a million miles from full Push functionality.

    Even without MPE and another 100 quid on the price, I’d have snapped one up immediately with 8 tracks, but I want the ability to tweak synths and patches once it’s transferred to desktop. A couple of synths and a bunch of audio blocks is a workaround too far. I’m no power user, but I still need more than four tweakable tracks.

    I’m waiting to see some vids where it’s being used as a controller, as that’s still a potential buy for me, but ironically it’s making the Push 3 controller look incredibly good value for money in comparison!

    I guess I have lower expectations. Move will let me leave the laptop at home and I have tried a lot of failed alternatives over the years.

    I’m also fairly disillusioned by MPE.

    The Push 3 demos got my attention. I’m a big fan of Geoshred and other MPE functional apps. As a guitarist used to bending and sliding notes (and wobbly old analogue synth fiend), the ability to make a synth or sample sound less fixed, and more dynamic/organic, really appeals.

    For me, the Move doesn’t sit between Note and Push 3, it sits along side it. Move has features Note doesn’t have, but Note also has a lot of useful extra functionality that Move is missing.

    So I still think there’s space for a smaller, MPE, mobile device between Note/Move and the Push 3, with more tracks and functionality than Move currently has. £599? Probably never happen, but I can dream!

    I still haven’t ruled out a Move purchase as a desk-friendly controller, so still waiting to see what users come up with. But at only just under half the price of a Push 3 controller, I’m starting to think a Push 3 might be a better long-term investment, and carry on with Note as a mobile ‘sketchpad’.

  • Just curious about this. The Push 3 is a lot more, and I see the Akai APC64 and it’s closer to the price point of Move. Seems like there are some contenders unless the Move can make itself stand out in some way.

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    @BroCoast said:

    @drez said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @echoopera said:
    I know that everyone is complaining about it only having 4 Tracks.

    But if you are a heavy Sample Resample type of producer it’s actually potentially 64 Pads of sounds equalling 256 minutes of audio. If you then tie in 32 Scenes this thing can create a ton of music for a producer.

    This is how i see it fitting in my workflow now that i have embraced the Sample Dragon of music creation 🤪

    In my mind and thinking about my workflow this is going to fit nicely in my backpack and allow me to do 80% of what i already do on the iPhone in Note and on the iPad in Drambo.

    👍

    I think too many people expect everything to be this complete package product.

    I totally agree with this assessment. It’s a 400 dollar box. People want it to cure musical cancer 😂 it’s a gateway drug to Ableton live. If you want more, buy a push standalone. It’s amazing! And the 12.1 update for push is really good!!

    Practically speaking for music making, it’s the office(studio) essentials in a portable tactile box.

    So is a basic iPad model plus Korg Gadget for example. For a lower price, with longer battery life, much less weight, a proper display and labelled knobs for tweaking sound.
    But to me the main advantage over Move would be speed. Less scrolling to find the right sound and faster editing of melodies and chords, and no need to learn key combinations.

    If they had made something with 8 tracks and MPE, they would have lost someone like me who just wants a reliable machine to put in the hours on. The price point gets too close to Push if you add any more to Move.

    It's just a little change in software, the used hardware platform (see Raspberry 4) should have plenty of power to handle even more than 8 tracks. Might come as a future enhancement.

  • @Tarekith

    Can a person export stems from this without having Live?

  • No, via the Move manager there is only the option to render a stereo file of the set, not stems. I ‘think’ Move comes with a copy of Live Lite though if I remember right, so you don’t need to buy it if that’s what you’re worried about.

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    @Tarekith said:
    No, via the Move manager there is only the option to render a stereo file of the set, not stems. I ‘think’ Move comes with a copy of Live Lite though if I remember right, so you don’t need to buy it if that’s what you’re worried about.

    Ahh crap. I can't install Live Light as it forces itself onto my C drive (even when I specify another drive) which is almost full. Heh, thought I could maybe sneak this in before the new computer.

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    @oldsynthguy
    It’s weird, that’s for sure. Add a couple of arrows to scroll up/down and you’ve got 8 levels of scenes in a workflow Ableton users are familiar with.

    up/down arrows are even there, bottom right corner.. so this really makes no sense, for me bigges design fail in history..

    CPU can’t be argument, CPU part of HW makes at best 5-10% of price for entire box..

    I see this as nothing else than fail in design division, i guess they wanted to be creative and make something more aligned with traditional grooveboxes - throwing away their unified company approach. And they failed badly, in my opinion.

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    I'll be digging in tonight (so in about 6 hours).

    Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try and answer those I can. With pics and vids if possible.

    Feels great btw. Build quality is awesome. Good weight to it.

    I have some questions… can you help me?

    Will move and an iPad will work together?
    I have live 9 so probably move and Ableton live wouldn’t be a good combination. Am I right?

    Besides move’s Ableton integration are similarities between the sp404 Mii and move?

    Thanks 🙏

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    @cam said:

    Will move and an iPad will work together?

    Hi @cam it depends what you're after. So whilst I can connect Move and iPad via USB C, that audio is one way only (Out from Move). So I can record Move's output into AUM for example.

    Using Move as an Audio Interface I can connect another sound source into Move and have that output via the USB C to iPad, but not the other way around.

    So I cannot sample into Move via USB C. I imagine a good number were hoping for this.

    I'm afraid I don't have any experience with the sp404 Mii to compare them.

    I should highlight that the MIDI implementation of Move appears to be extremely limited (No MIDI over USB C, USB A only, MIDI can only be either IN or OUT at any one time, so not both together, MIDI OUT is limited to just one of the 4 tracks at a time) so it's not going to replace anyone's MIDI controllers if that was the plan. It's quite clear this was not an intended purpose but it might be easy to assume.

    EDIT: I'm having a hard time understanding the MIDI aspect of MOVE atm. Will update this post if things become clearer.

    All that being said, I totally got carried away with using it last night. It's a lot of fun, sounds great and as an Ableton Live user, it's integration with the Daw is where I personally see much of it's worth. Very cool to sketch out ideas and have it upload to Ableton within seconds.

    A few UI things I would like to have seen a bit different. The buttons most used in combo with the Shift button (Overview & Settings) are the furthest away from that Shift button forcing a two hand operation. If those buttons were on the right and closer the UX would be far far sweeter.

    As it is I'm really enjoying diving into Move.

  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @cam said:

    Will move and an iPad will work together?

    Hi @cam it depends what you're after. So whilst I can connect Move and iPad via USB C, that audio is one way only (Out from Move). So I can record Move's output into AUM for example.

    Using Move as an Audio Interface I can connect another sound source into Move and have that output via the USB C to iPad, but not the other way around.

    So I cannot sample into Move via USB C. I imagine a good number were hoping for this.

    I'm afraid I don't have any experience with the sp404 Mii to compare them.

    I should highlight that the MIDI implementation of Move appears to be extremely limited, so it's not going to replace anyone's MIDI controllers if that was the plan. It's quite clear this was not an intended purpose but it might be easy to assume.

    All that being said, I totally got carried away with using it last night. It's a lot of fun, sounds great and as an Ableton Live user, it's integration with the Daw is where I personally see much of it's worth. Very cool to sketch out ideas and have it upload to Ableton within seconds.

    A few UI things I would like to have seen a bit different. The buttons most used in combo with the Shift button (Overview & Settings) are the furthest away from that Shift button forcing a two hand operation. If those buttons were on the right and closer the UX would be far far sweeter.

    As it is I'm really enjoying diving into Move.

    I could imagine the Move would make a nice loop maker to send into my SP404mk2 via usb C. The workflow (for want of a better word) looks nice and quick and I do like the random new tracks. However, I am spoiled by how my iPad works with my SP, so will stick with that until they update the Move with some feature that pushes me to rethink it.

    I can see that some people are really going to love the Move. Might become a bit of a cult tool after some really creative types get to using it. The SP is loved by many, same as the Circuits are. Personally I have an SP and a Circuit rhythm that have both become fx boxes in my setup for the most part. The SP is also my audio interface and mini mixer lol. Wonder if the Move has some great secondary power beyond being a neat portable track maker?

  • @dendy said:

    @oldsynthguy
    It’s weird, that’s for sure. Add a couple of arrows to scroll up/down and you’ve got 8 levels of scenes in a workflow Ableton users are familiar with.

    up/down arrows are even there, bottom right corner.. so this really makes no sense, for me bigges design fail in history..

    CPU can’t be argument, CPU part of HW makes at best 5-10% of price for entire box..

    I see this as nothing else than fail in design division, i guess they wanted to be creative and make something more aligned with traditional grooveboxes - throwing away their unified company approach. And they failed badly, in my opinion.

    Since the device uses an off the shelf CPU and standard SD card, it could be upgraded by Ableton very easily - double the storage, beef up the CPU, for very little extra cost. You can buy a 128gb SD card for a tenner. That would allow more tracks, and maybe a better standard layout with tracks along the top.

    Strange choices by their design team. What a killer device this could have been.

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @dendy said:

    @oldsynthguy
    It’s weird, that’s for sure. Add a couple of arrows to scroll up/down and you’ve got 8 levels of scenes in a workflow Ableton users are familiar with.

    up/down arrows are even there, bottom right corner.. so this really makes no sense, for me bigges design fail in history..

    CPU can’t be argument, CPU part of HW makes at best 5-10% of price for entire box..

    I see this as nothing else than fail in design division, i guess they wanted to be creative and make something more aligned with traditional grooveboxes - throwing away their unified company approach. And they failed badly, in my opinion.

    this review shows the valid issues you raise.

    Good review that. Interestingly in the comments you can tell how much he loves it, but the 4 track limit is a potential deal breaker. Sounds like with build quality Ableton have nailed it, but layout changes and track limits are hampering his standalone and controller usability.

    Be interesting to see how he gets on, if he can accept limitations and keep the device.

  • I think Move+Loopy Pro could be excellent for looping, and Move+AUM for sampling anything back and forth via USB, although does AUM sync with Link?

  • @mistercharlie said:
    I think Move+Loopy Pro could be excellent for looping, and Move+AUM for sampling anything back and forth via USB, although does AUM sync with Link?

    AUM does sync with Link. However, Move cannot sample from AUM via USB C if that was your aim?

  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @mistercharlie said:
    I think Move+Loopy Pro could be excellent for looping, and Move+AUM for sampling anything back and forth via USB, although does AUM sync with Link?

    AUM does sync with Link. However, Move cannot sample from AUM via USB C if that was your aim?

    That was my aim! That's a shame, it would have been a very useful trick.

  • The only fear I have is that maybe Move kills once and for all the iPad as a music platform for me.

    The tight integration with Ableton could be the final nail in the coffin.

    We'll see

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