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Yes, and I think due to the turn of the topic it was worth mentioning again lol
And here’s an example of this in action. Bruno Mars is an accomplished artist, with accolades. He made a duet with Lady Gaga, another seasoned artist.
Yet, literally a week ago, he dropped this collaboration with a younger New Zealand/South Korean singer named Rosè which breaks the norms of his music, yet it’s so good that it got 171 million views in 9 days.
I’m using these examples as case studies. Not everything needs to be formulaic. Sometimes, have fun with it.
@wim @Gavinski
Hypothetical situation.
There's a young artist who decides to use iOS apps only.
They get signed to Sony.
Their album blows up and goes platinum.
In an interview the Artist says, "I used iOS apps"
Wouldn't you want that for the platform?
For the record, the reason why I am actually on the platform is because of this Artist.
I rebuilt her music studio for her and whilst I was doing the refit
she showed me the Korg synths on her iPhone.
I was like wow.
Her track was quite big in the U.K and Europe back in the day, sell out shows enough to buy a 7 bedroom house.
For sure! Obviously I would like the iOS platform to grow and for more pros to use iOS apps etc.
The main point of Wim's post, for me, was: "the more YouTube content creators gear their output toward the mass of hobbyists the more viewership they will attract and retain"
I look at it like this.
No matter what someone will always ask you what tools did you use.
Very true.
However I wasn't making that point.
The overall point (as I'm on the platform) is that I'm looking at the bigger picture.
The dev's and the iOS YouTubers are struggling against the current user base namely
the trolls and persons who don't want to pay and expect even more from you rather than less.
The platform needs new blood for it survive long term.
It needs more than Love now.
Totally, and it saddens me to see how some people really don't appreciate these things, but I really don't have the energy to engage with those people or try to change their mind. I'm really close to a point of being done with this forum too, btw. It's gone downhill so badly. But yeah, when even more devs and YouTubers in the space have quit, maybe they'll realize what a valuable service they provided and how much they miss it.
That sounds like every job I've ever had in my life.
I was a lot happier once I accepted that it was always going to be that way and learned to accept it. I remember the day it happened too.
I hear you hence why I continued this thread against my better judgement.
Again I hear you however the new mods @wim and @yellow_eyez are doing a great job.
Sometimes things have to get worst before they get better.
I've almost left the platform permanently a couple of times myself
but I can see that it's starting to pick back up.
That's what I don't want to see.
The dev's and iOS YouTubers are hardly on the Forum anymore and
it saddens me to know that they are putting their life's blood into their apps
and creating content for a bunch of ungrateful, entitled "insert expletives here".
Not everyone is included in my last sentence.
Thank you....
I refuse to accept certain things and I'm actually much happier for it.
I mentioned this in another thread.
I am actually a bit "Rambo" in personality.
I'm sure you've gathered by now.
That last post of mine was some damn good clickbait. 😎
lololololololol
Quick anecdotal story in context of "Rambo":.
I produced a couple of tracks for a very well known bangladeshi band called "Bangla".
The tracks were banned in Bangladesh by muslim fundementalists
because I sang in English on the end of one track.
(Please no islamic bashing here)
Well,... we were threatened with murder, death etc,....yes, seriously....
So the band's producer removed my voice and managed to get some sort of airplay.
A few years later I was asked to be on BBC Asian Network Radio, "musicians with a message" or something along those lines.
So I pulled out the track that had been banned in Bangladesh and played it to 4.5 million listeners here in the U.K.
That made me happy.
Here's the link from the BBC for those who like to check.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00d0xqt
the show isn't there anymore however I do have a personal recording in my archives.
As someone who posts original iOS music on YouTube regularly it isn't easy to build an audience without compelling visual content. Even using music by much more talented creators than myself (Paulieworld, LinearLineman, Svetlovska, and JWMmakerofmusic) it is a video service, first and foremost.
My most popular video recently hit over 6000 views.
The closest one after that is less than 400.
I'm not sure what makes one video perform so much better than the rest. Sometimes you get lucky with the algorithm I guess.
I know many people see YouTube as a place to watch how-to videos and product reviews. Using it as a personal music video channel probably isn't the best way to grow an audience. But I feel that channels like the Sound Test Room, Gavinski's Tutorials, and others have the tutorial/demo market covered well enough. I don't know that I could add anything by trying to join that space.
AI is the hot, controversial topic now and with my background in video editing as a hobbyist it has been an easy way to draw attention to my channel and the artists I work with. I know it won't be long before that market gets saturated. People with far more experience in the film industry are making videos that are getting tons of views. Channels like mine will most likely be lost and forgotten once the next new thing comes along and grabs everyone's attention.
I do wish good luck to anyone out there promoting iOS music on YouTube, Reddit, X (Twitter), or even TikTok.
Agreed.
Once again agreed.
However you still have a voice and that matters.
As do I, as do We all.
2 words Gravitas - cognitive dissonance.
Most people see themselves as decent, well-meaning individuals. And we all like free stuff. So, when the idea of fair exchange is raised, it often triggers a sense of unease, a cognitive dissonance. That discomfort can prompt some to decide to support creators in a fairer way. For others it leads to defensiveness, a reflex to protect the status quo,willful blindness, or even to nastiness and trolling.
When someone is deep in cognitive dissonance, the more you try to persuade them, the likelier they are to dig their heels in.
Hence, this entire topic needs to be approached by all parties with skill, subtlety, empathy and understanding. Sadly, forums are generally not great places for nuanced discussion like that.
I used to mentor Artists.
I know those two words very, very well.
Of which we've seen plenty of examples recently.
I've been involved in a couple confrontations myself (namely in self defense) which I'm not proud off.
Agreed.
We've all been there to varying degrees.
I'm normally quite good at mediating but this is a "challenge" for sure.
I'm glad that some of us are looking at the bigger picture.
Yup... still we must try for the greater good.
While I agree to some degree, I do believe that most people are essentially decent. People are stretched in life and often their giving has to be more targeted than ever. I personally give what I can to people closer at home - friends and family more than aquintencies, excepting my time and friendship with which I give more further afield.
While the Internet can seem a place dominated by nastiness and trolls, I still believe it's actually the minority. Often some of it could be down to misunderstandings more than actual malice. Take the OP - I've often found the responses I've received in conversation to be a tad rude, but have over time adjusted to this as I've seen it's just a person's particular personality traits - some feel the same way about me. I rarely discuss others on here, but I'm sure 'Rambo' will be the first to admit an oft gun ho attitude to replies, so no hard feelings I hope.
To be fair it's not only an Internet thing - some people are rude, some people are misunderstood, some people are really good at presenting themselves, but are the devil incarnate inside lol - but most are just trying to make their way through the difficulties of life. I think we just notice loud and rude people more.
The problem I see with the expectations of the consumer, can often be seen in those that are trying to sell their products in often oversaturated markets. It's complexity is far more than just something as simple as cognitive dissonance, as you are probably aware.
I do think decent conversation can be had on sites like this, but people are often put off by certain types of responses. I often put down my personal opinions and like to read that of others, but then often receive responses that are more personal than about the subject. I use the ignore button for those people.
Whatever happens, I do hope many of you youtubers and devs manage to survive and prosper
Oh totally. And nice post overall with lots of valid points.
And regarding some of your other points, it goes without saying that everyone is in different financial boats, nobody here is asking anyone struggling financially to offer support, and no-one can support every creator they like and watch regularly.
The main point, at the end of the day is this and this alone:
If a creator is telling you they may not be able to continue without more support and you a) like their stuff a lot and would miss them if they quit, b) have the means, then consider supporting them.
If those two conditions are not met, viewers shouldn't support and shouldn't bat an eyelid over any of this, no problem at all!
Thank you also for your kind wishes.
Earlier this year I started making a video on why someone (professional) would want to use iOS for music.
I canned the video and don’t recommend anybody get into the platform. My video was focusing on Loopy Pro and Drambo, I am now redoing separate videos on the mac versions (when LP is available.)
The reason is simple, one port and a huge fuckin dongle mess will never be professional and you will never be able to use an iPad seriously on a stage.
The lack of the headphone jack was certainly a really major spanner in the works. There was far more interest in this platform before that was dropped. Another factor, mentioned upstream, was Apple dropping the affiliate program, meaning big music production websites are not incentived to cover iPad apps any more. I'm not super optimistic for the future of the iPad as a music production tool. It feels like it is going to get even more niche than it already is.
In this I disagree.
I've seen way more nastiness and trolls than not.
Yup, some people can find me a tad rude simply because I don't like mincing my words.
I speak direct when neccessary.
Also the nuances of vocal tones are sometimes lost in the text.
No hard feelings whatsoever.
Agreed.
This is the aim and objective of this thread which is to enable the dev's, YouTubers and the users who use said apps.
Before the Lockdowns I was taking my ipad with an audio interface out for regular gigs
with my improv band at the time and not one of the band members batted an eyelid.
I was using the ipad for guitar and bass.
This was every week for over a year.
Around the same time I did a one off gig for a friend(who's passed away now) in a castle (yes, castle)
there may still be a thread where I mentioned it floating around someplace
and the bass player and sound engineer for the gig took one look at my rig
and went and got a specific guitar amp to match my guitar tone.
He didn't mention anything about the dongle dangling off the side.
The sound engineer and bass player was Stuart Bruce.
https://www.recordproduction.com/interviews/stuart-bruce
Robert Frip if I remember correctly also uses an ipad with his rig.
Here's a thread from the Loopy Pro forum
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/33911/photo-of-fripp-and-his-ipad
Hey, you could have saved yourself some time. I’ve been using an iPad on stages for the last decade off and on… this is not about if they work live/pro or not. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to use one moving forward given Apple’s attitude towards professionals who have attempted to promote the platform.
No question that there are professional musicians using the iPad. But it is hard to imagine it replacing desktop, which was something you used to hear people saying a few years ago. 'iOS is the future of music production' etc. It's not going to disappear, but it's not looking likely to revolutionize music production in a significant way (though it has revolutionized consumption) . If the iPad had never been invented, the state of modern music production would be basically identical to what it is today. The same can't be said about the invention of the DAW, for example.
Agreed.
Well, that's my choice and the choice of anyone else who decides to do so.
This is a challenge that I set myself.
Whether I rise or fall I'm aware of the risks.
Long term with the way things are I see the iPad as an addition to not as a replacement.
Agreed.
Sure, sorry for my explanation of why I don’t promote the platform anymore. As you were.
No need to apologise.
That's how you feel and that's valid in itself.
Maybe in a years time I may feel like you however that isn't the case right now.
Likewise.