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  • @monz0id said:

    @mjm1138 said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    not about money, more about owning a product forever rather than having it on loan.

    Most of the time it's a distinction without a difference, but when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software, you own a license to use the software (which can be revoked for whatever reasons they cite in the EULA).

    You can resell your Ableton license.

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

  • @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @mjm1138 said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    not about money, more about owning a product forever rather than having it on loan.

    Most of the time it's a distinction without a difference, but when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software, you own a license to use the software (which can be revoked for whatever reasons they cite in the EULA).

    You can resell your Ableton license.

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

  • @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @mjm1138 said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    not about money, more about owning a product forever rather than having it on loan.

    Most of the time it's a distinction without a difference, but when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software, you own a license to use the software (which can be revoked for whatever reasons they cite in the EULA).

    You can resell your Ableton license.

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Well, maybe, if recent predictions around 3rd party app distribution on iOS come true. Of course, license transferability is not a guaranteed feature of perpetually-licensed software.

  • One side benefit of having a multitrillion dollar company release an app is that they have way more coding resources, intimate knowledge of the O/S and it is much more likely to become abandonware. Worth the minimal subscription fee IMHO. Many of us "own" apps which have not been updated in years.

  • edited May 2023

    @dendy said:

    @NeuM said:

    @dendy said:

    @Pierre118 said:
    Nothing wrong with this subscription based model.

    Absolutely everything is wrong on subscription.

    I assume/hope that it will be free for the MacOS Logic Pro owners?!

    Don’t think so, it that would be the case they would already communicate it.

    I’m generally anti-subscription, but this is a rare case where I’m going to strongly disagree. For the price, it represents a huge value and competitive advantage.

    For me it is not that much about particular price (even through imagining i pay 500€ to apple for 10 years of using it isn’t completely pleasant) - i simply don’t pay subscription for apps. I pay subscription for services (github copilot, netflix, amazon, hosting for my website) but not for apps. I want own app, not rent. I would easily pay 200€ for LPX on iPad and then anorher 100 for eveey major update once per year or two - but i own app.

    Subscription is for me absolute showstopper.

    Dendy, you don’t have to “rent” Logic Pro to iPad…
    When you stay in the past we others will having fuckin’ great & fun time using Logic Pro - hold in mind, it’s the full fledged Logic Pro, so, 50 bucks a year is nothing to complain against…

  • @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

    You didn't read what I said... "even if it comes to iOS".

  • WHA

    NOW WHAT WILL PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT?

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    Hell freezes over and then goes straight to hell! Subscription only?
    Hell no! Go to hell, Apple!

    I hate subscription, but
    50$/ years is better than a 1 time 500$ fees. Not sure what would be the 1 time cost of LP.

  • edited May 2023

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

    You didn't read what I said... "even if it comes to iOS".

    You didn’t read what I said. I was replying to this comment:

    “ when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software”

    To which I said:

    “ You can resell your Ableton license.”

    So my response to your comment “ even if it comes to iOS”:

    “ Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.”

    Makes sense to me.

  • @abf said:
    I didn 't think this would ever happen. I'm so happy to be wrong.

    I'm actually more excited about FCP, I use it on desktop, but I like an iPad for working with images and videos. Luma Fusion is great but I like the results I get with FCP.

    I'm curious to find out which Logic instruments and effects will be included in the iPad version. I'm excited to see what it will be like and find out the specs.

    All of them. They're all being included. You don't lose anything by using the iPad Pro version, reportedly.

  • edited May 2023

    @Krupa said:
    Anyone worried about not owning apps probably best read the terms and conditions in the App Store, there’s a reason they’re cheaper…

    All software is licensed. This is not new. The difference is the subscription model versus a one-time payment for use of the software. But you don't really "own" your software anyway. You cannot repackage and sell hundreds of copies of your personal copy without risking getting arrested or sued.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    Hell freezes over and then goes straight to hell! Subscription only?
    Hell no! Go to hell, Apple!

    $5 a month? I think they're being more than reasonable.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Krupa said:
    Anyone worried about not owning apps probably best read the terms and conditions in the App Store, there’s a reason they’re cheaper…

    All software is licensed. This is not new.

    Of course, that’s the point I’m making…

  • @Krupa said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Krupa said:
    Anyone worried about not owning apps probably best read the terms and conditions in the App Store, there’s a reason they’re cheaper…

    All software is licensed. This is not new.

    Of course, that’s the point I’m making…

    Then your point is well taken.

  • @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

    You didn't read what I said... "even if it comes to iOS".

    You didn’t read what I said. I was replying to this comment:

    “ when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software”

    To which I said:

    “ You can resell your Ableton license.”

    So my response to your comment “ even if it comes to iOS”, “ Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.”

    Makes sense to me.

    I guess I understand what you mean now, it was a reply about "desktop software".

    My confusion was not understanding what that has to do with any software that is sold on iOS, much less Logic for iPad? There is no scenario with any software on iOS that you can resell it. So all dev's, if they are going to play in this playground, are in the same boat.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Krupa said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Krupa said:
    Anyone worried about not owning apps probably best read the terms and conditions in the App Store, there’s a reason they’re cheaper…

    All software is licensed. This is not new.

    Of course, that’s the point I’m making…

    Then your point is well taken.

    👍

  • Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

  • @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    The mind boggles. A person will have all the firepower of a full-fledged studio at hand wherever they go now. It's just amazing.

  • @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

    You didn't read what I said... "even if it comes to iOS".

    You didn’t read what I said. I was replying to this comment:

    “ when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software”

    To which I said:

    “ You can resell your Ableton license.”

    So my response to your comment “ even if it comes to iOS”, “ Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.”

    Makes sense to me.

    I guess I understand what you mean now, it was a reply about "desktop software".

    My confusion was not understanding what that has to do with any software that is sold on iOS, much less Logic for iPad?

    No idea, you’ll have to ask @mjm1138 who’s comment I was replying to.

  • Damn I’m gonna need a new iPad. What I’m really happy about is all the fodder the iOS YouTubers now have with this announcement. Should be solid for at least a couple months

  • @Gavinski said:
    Even just to finally have a great true physical modeling synth on iOS - Sculpture - it is so worth it for me.

    Now, now… Should we put Sculpture above all the other Physical Modelling synths, from Pianoteq to GeoShred? ;-)

    I do agree that it’ll be great to have access to the exact same first-party “instruments” on macOS and iPadOS. Plugin versions cause significant issues in roundtripping projects between platforms, even when the same plugins are available on both. The way Korg solved this for Gadget is… interesting. Many people are unsatisfied and I haven’t heard of many people doing much with Gadget for desktop.
    I get to wonder about the potential side-effects of having so many useful modules inside a crossplatform DAW (with no availability for these modules as plugins). Many of us expect major players to release more AUv3 plugins. It’s also possible that some niche players will refrain from releasing on iPadOS because of Apple’s competition.

    At any rate, I do welcome the news.
    (Yes, I’m among the people who find subscription models problematic, especially with “subscription fatigue” and high inflation rates across the board. Still, I’ll probably pay for the Logic Pro subscription because, unlike many other subscriptions I’ve had, it’ll bring enough value to justify the expense. Sculpture isn’t my go-to Logic synth. Alchemy would be closer. Overall, though, it’ll be about trying new “workflows”.)

  • @Enkerli said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Even just to finally have a great true physical modeling synth on iOS - Sculpture - it is so worth it for me.

    Now, now… Should we put Sculpture above all the other Physical Modelling synths, from Pianoteq to GeoShred? ;-)

    I do agree that it’ll be great to have access to the exact same first-party “instruments” on macOS and iPadOS. Plugin versions cause significant issues in roundtripping projects between platforms, even when the same plugins are available on both. The way Korg solved this for Gadget is… interesting. Many people are unsatisfied and I haven’t heard of many people doing much with Gadget for desktop.
    I get to wonder about the potential side-effects of having so many useful modules inside a crossplatform DAW (with no availability for these modules as plugins). Many of us expect major players to release more AUv3 plugins. It’s also possible that some niche players will refrain from releasing on iPadOS because of Apple’s competition.

    At any rate, I do welcome the news.
    (Yes, I’m among the people who find subscription models problematic, especially with “subscription fatigue” and high inflation rates across the board. Still, I’ll probably pay for the Logic Pro subscription because, unlike many other subscriptions I’ve had, it’ll bring enough value to justify the expense. Sculpture isn’t my go-to Logic synth. Alchemy would be closer. Overall, though, it’ll be about trying new “workflows”.)

    I've only begun to scrape the surface of Sculpture and find it loaded with possibilities. It's such a great piece of software.

  • @supadom said:
    The opposition to subscription model seems to be rather visceral.

    £50 a year is nothing if you’re really using and benefitting from software. Be it commercially or as a hobby. I only accept this as a valid moaning point if coming from a geographically disadvantageous position.

    Otherwise, I really think it’s a bargain and shows lack of understanding of how much work, creatively and otherwise, it is to piece together such a monster of software.

    It would be very interesting to find out what people would be prepared to pay upfront for this.

  • @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

  • @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

    You didn't read what I said... "even if it comes to iOS".

    You didn’t read what I said. I was replying to this comment:

    “ when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software”

    To which I said:

    “ You can resell your Ableton license.”

    So my response to your comment “ even if it comes to iOS”, “ Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.”

    Makes sense to me.

    I guess I understand what you mean now, it was a reply about "desktop software".

    My confusion was not understanding what that has to do with any software that is sold on iOS, much less Logic for iPad?

    No idea, you’ll have to ask @mjm1138 who’s comment I was replying to.

    Ask me what your comment meant? I can't even explain myself most days, you'll have to answer for yourself :D

  • @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    Is NanoStudio 2 available on desktop?

  • @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    Ah ok. Gave up on NS2 a long time ago.

  • $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

  • I've never used the desktop version. Is it worth it if you have Cubasis, Zenbeats, Loopy Pro and Koala?

  • @NeuM said:

    I've only begun to scrape the surface of Sculpture and find it loaded with possibilities. It's such a great piece of software.

    Same here, actually.
    My main “opposition” @Gavinski is about the notion that Sculpture’s the first great PM synth on iPadOS. After all, it’s getting long in the teeth. And other PM synths do more in terms of control/expression.
    My biased perspective is that I’m primarily a windcontroller player. What I can do in GeoShred, Respiro, and SWAM Instruments is much more fitting than what Sculpture does. And, clearly, keyboardists really love Pianoteq for what it can do.

    Contrary to the potential “side-effect” I was mentioning, I’m pretty sure that Sculpture on iPad won’t prevent AAS from releasing more of its offerings on our beloved platform. Verge has likely been disappointed with Objeq. It could become a cool plugin for LP users. And all the PM synths in AAS’s collection would fit unaddressed niches on iPad, even with Sculpture around.
    (My dream would be for those synths to support MPE. As many people have realized, there’s a special connection between PM synthesis and polyphonic expression. If I remember correctly, Sculpture does support a form of MPE. At the same time, I haven’t heard of MPE patches for Sculpture.)

    Maybe Surge XT is next, among desktop plugins going AUv3? For now, it only does very limited PM. Yet there’s enough traction behind the project that it could easily become a useful PM synth.

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